Archetects Room and Quantum Physics (Spoiler Warning)

[Statik]

So you got this room, with all kinds of monitors showing possible paths, and the camera moves through the monitors during some of the "choices" into another room. That is the cinematography of the archetect scene. Each screen shows a posible reaction for neo to exhibit, and the camera "enters" the screen with the chosen reaction.

Now, what is the point of this post. Quite simply, after seeing this scene a few times it clicked. I was reading a recent article in scientific american about paralel universes. In one "level" of theorised multiverses (level III: quantum multiverse), it states the idea of there are many many many universes, and they are all sort of like snapshots, and we are constantly jumping from one of these to another (like the camera in the archetect scene), and we perseve this movement (which would be 4 dimentional movement, and time being an illusion created by this movement) as change, choice and time.

I was always bouncing the idea around in my head that this is what was being illustrated in the archetect scene. But it was yesterday that I acctually started believing it was true, when I read the news article "Wacky Wachowskis" where it stated: "Andy spends hours discussing philosophy and quantum physics in coffee shops."

So, given this perspective, one might say that The One's path is a somewhat specified 4 dimentional pathway through a quantum multiverse. So play with that idea over in the speculation forum!

I just thought I should throw that idea out here, see if there are any takers.

[freaky dingo]

Holy cow, that's confusing, but very, very interesting. Cool

[PriesT]

ummmmmmmmmmmmm yeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss i think i got lost at So lol j/k yeh kinda cool don't wuite understnad it but yeh it sounds col and smart so yeh it must b tru.

[Sir_Brizz]

So just to clarify in MY mind, what you are saying is that the monitors are showing what Neo would say in each of these multiverses before the camera chooses the one that he will say?

Isn't that kind of contrary to what the Oracle says? "No, you've already made the choice. Now you have to learn to understand it." Supposing I even accurately understand what you are saying

[bluez3]

what you are describing sounds like that jet li movie "the one". i dont think that theory would apply here though cuz paying attention to the film tinting (anything greenish in tint is in the matrix, anything with a blueish tint is in the real world) the W. bros. clearly had only 2 realms in mind. the matrix realm and the real world realm which contains the matrix on a mainframe computer somewhere.

[neokernel]

hey, i observed that the very first time i saw the movie..but i forgot it altogether.

i have read about multiple universe theory, and its not only present or future, even the past exists in such a theory..

this is to explain the death paradox..

say a person, in present can travel back in time, and kills one of his parent before his birth, then theres no way he can be born and stay in present, to explain this the parallel universe theory says, when u travel back in time, it ll always be the ones other than the one that led to present, so even if he kills the parent it would be in another universe, and that explains the paradox..

dunno how many ll buy it!!!

[syntax_error]

hmmm. I always thought that there were an infinite amount of multiverses for every path you could take. Instead of jumping from one multiverse to another, you continue in the current one.
Its been a long time since I read up on it. Can anyone clear this up for me?

[Eniyi]

Originally posted by syntax_error
hmmm. I always thought that there were an infinite amount of multiverses for every path you could take. Instead of jumping from one multiverse to another, you continue in the current one.
Its been a long time since I read up on it. Can anyone clear this up for me?

Below, I'm explaining the multiverses theory. I divided itinto parts, so you can skip the parts you don't understand.

Explanation of multiverses theory
Actually, in multiverses theory, you continue your path in all the universes. In multiverses theory, when the universe needs to make a choice, the universe divides into multiverses and all the choices occur.

If you know Schrodinger's Cat, you can understand next paragraph better
As all the choices occur, the observer who is observing the results of these choices is also divided. One observer sees the result of the first choice in one universe, the copycat of that observer sees the result of the second choice in another universe and so on. The number of universes depend on the number of choices and all these universes again divide when an choice is needed to be made. Like the division of a cell, one universe divides, then those universes divide again and this goes to infinity, so there are infinite number of universes.

And back to the begining
You can't decide your own path, because all these universes are unique and there is no way of intercommunication. All these universes ale closed systems.

Very short summary
In brief, You don't choose which universe to go. You are in all the universes. You live your life without any effect from the other universes.

Its possible relation with the Matrix
I can only find one explanation of the architect scene without contradicting this theory. The Architect can view multiple universes, but that's all. He's outside of any of these universes and he can't interfere. He's just a free observer. This creates a paradox:

The Architect lives in a non-universe universe.

Well, somebody can develop my ideas using this paradox as a starting point.

Note: There is also another theory called Copenhagen Theory. This is the pre-theory of the multiverses theory. Physicist prefer multiverses theory, because multiverses theory can explain some things that are ambiguous in Copenhagen Theory. If you want, I can also discuss that when I have free time (in this case, probably Monday).

[AcE]

I like the idea, that to every given choice and its combination has a different parallel reality, still based on a previous actions.

Maybe what we saw on those monitors are assumed choices Neo can take and its results...
Predicting future, inside Matrix, through mathematics... That sounds Matrixy enough to me...

Sort of like a chess grandmaster predicting future opponent moves in every possible ways and its outcomes...

Smart thread btw

[Zero One]

At the architect scene, as soon as Neo enters the source, we see a light surrounded by black, which turns out to be a galaxy resembling the milky way. It is the first thing to appear on the Architect's tv screen. The architect was watching this before he clicked it on to be filled with Neos.

Why?



Also, in the beginning of the film, in the opening sequence with the green code falling and revealing itself to be the time clock that the security guards punch in and out of..... along with the green code we can also see galaxies floating around in it. What does it mean?

Any guesses?

[Statik]

Originally posted by bluez3
what you are describing sounds like that jet li movie "the one". i dont think that theory would apply here though cuz paying attention to the film tinting (anything greenish in tint is in the matrix, anything with a blueish tint is in the real world) the W. bros. clearly had only 2 realms in mind. the matrix realm and the real world realm which contains the matrix on a mainframe computer somewhere.

no not really. in "the one" there were a bunch of paralell universes. what i am describing isn't as much of a paralell univers as it is a way at looking at what we perceive as time.

what i am saying, is that the theory goes: there is a whole butt load of universes, and they are all at a standstill. what we perceive as time and change is our movement through these "snapshots" (kind of like a the flickering of frames of film), but i am not saying that this movie is talking about traveling from differnent universes, as according to the theory we already do and always have and will. what we commonly think of as paralell universes are simply differnt paths thru this 4dimentional set of snapshot universes. the matrix, i don't believe, is going to show any characters going into paralell universes, but i think that the oricle diverted neo's 4dimentional path.

am i making scense or just a crazy nut?

[AcE]

I think that made sense.. Or maybe not...

Lets see if I got it right...
When a person lifts a cup.. many different parallel dimensions are created continuing time and story... One, if he drops the cup, another when he is putting it back, another when he drinks the coffee, another when he throws it away... and so on.

When he, say.. drinks the coffee, at that moment he jumps to the dimension that starts with his drinking the coffee (The same one that I said in the example above) And thus another dimensions are preloaded for the next action... So it goes on and on...

Its about mathematically predicting the future based on choices created by specific actions...

So am I anywhere near to what you said?

[GazingSchism]

Actually Statik The One with Jet Li is modelled after the Theory of Multiverses and in fact was based off of a Scientific American Article from 3 years ago... the current issue rehighlights the topic and introduces some new information but generally speaking its the same thing.

Personally, thats exactlly the same thing I thought when I saw it for the first time and it makes alot of sense. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Andy was getting at in the Architect scene.

AcE you basically hit the nail on the head. The basic idea is that there are an infinite number of exact universes interwound in "layers". We are in one layer but in the infinite number of other layers there are a finite number of "you's". In one layer you may be reading a newspaper, in another you are reading this forum. The infinity of the dimensions represents the infinity of choice. So fate is not really fate at all. You are not bound to fate in the classic sense BUT (and here's the real but) every single possible choice you can ever make (so you are free to make the choices) has an infinite number of reactions. So theoretically everything you will do in your life is already predetermined by the infinite number of Parallel Universes.

It's actually a mathematical possiblity and it gives more meaning to life than just saying "you have a destiny and it doesn't matter what choices you make." It should read like this: "You have a destiny but the choices you make will determine which destiny is yours."

[AcE]

Sounds good to me...

The basic idea is that there are an infinite number of exact universes interwound in "layers". We are in one layer but in the infinite number of other layers there are a finite number of "you's". In one layer you may be reading a newspaper, in another you are reading this forum. The infinity of the dimensions represents the infinity of choice

Like in this cartoon I saw once


Anyhow, My sig still makes sense

[red bull]

Yea,I too thought the same thing in the Architec room,I think its brilliant.

I also think that the long cooridor w/many doors,where Neo & others are in and he will make a choice which door will lead him through-It could or may also be (doors) representing many other universes or dimentions,maybe even time travel.