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Old 05-15-2003, 12:56 PM
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Morpheus or Oracle = God?

Ok, this question might have been answered.... It seems to be pretty obvious that Neo is the Messiah and the Architect of the Matrix is the Devil. I've read theories that Morpheus represents God though I'm more inclined to believe the Oracle is God, or better yet, that Morpheus is none other than Orpheus, which is the Oracle herself, in another form...

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Old 05-15-2003, 07:14 PM
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Old 05-16-2003, 09:13 PM
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Depends on whether you prefer the Greek mythology view or the Christian view (being the latter, I obviously prefer the latter.)

Yes, Neo represents both the Jewish Messiah (a political or military savior) and the Christian Messiah (Jesus Christ, even though He was also Jewish.)

The Architect kind of strays away from orthodox Christian thought. The Freemasons call God "the Great Architect of the Universe." Hence, I will symbolize the Architect as God (not neccesarily the Christian God, but just God.) The TV monitors show that the Architect is quite omnipresent and can see absolutely everything. All of Neo's responses also indicate that the Architect can envision every single possible outcome of the future. The choice that the Architect presents to Neo represents a couple things: that man has free will to choose one or the other (one leading to salvation [well, in this case, not really] and the other leading to human desire [Trinity] and ultimately destruction.

Putting Neo in Christ's shoes, the second option bears no difficulty, because doing the impossible is what Christ does best. He is willing to save the most insignificant soul. And in the film, Neo succeeds (note that in the Bible, Jesus brought a dead girl, lying in her bed, back to life.)

The first option is a Noah's Ark scenario. "I'm going to wipe out this entire sinful human race, it's your job to rebuild it."

The Architect can also be Satan. I thought of the Architect as being the personification of the Matrix AI, which, in the first film, can be Satan, who deceived the world into sinful and uncaring, ignorant existence, which demons (agents) as his minions. In this mindset, Satan/Architect can be deceiving Neo into thinking that he is God, or that there is no hope, or that hope is a weakness, etc. Note that the Architect was wrong about Trinity being a lost cause. That's one reason why the Architect isn't like the Christian God. The Christian God has no use for such methods of deceit, and no capacity of being wrong like that.

On Morpheus, in addition to being a John the Baptist-type guy, Morpheus can also be the first member of the Holy Trinity (him being God the Father, Neo being God the Son, and Trinity being God the Holy Spirit.)

As for the Oracle, other than being a sort of Biblical prophet, you can't get much Christianity out of her. More on this later.....
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Old 05-17-2003, 04:35 AM
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From a Gnostic POV, I think the Oracle represents the goddess Sophia. Especially considering that her protector was named Seraph (I think?) and the meaning of seraph (from the Britannica Encyclopedia):

In Jewish, Christian, and Islamic literature, a celestial being with two or three pairs of wings who guards the throne of God. In Christian angelology, seraphim are the highest-ranking in the hierarchy of angels. In art they are often painted red, symbolizing fire. They appear in the Old Testament in a vision of Isaiah as six-winged creatures praising God.
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god is the all mighty the orical or morpheus can't do 1/1000 of the stuuf he can do. plus the people don't worshop them there more like prophets
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